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Bagger
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PostPosted: Tue May 22, 2012 6:32 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

kinley wrote:

As a walker with no bike or canoe I'd be inclined towards Ben Aden and An Stac.


I'll second that
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PostPosted: Tue May 22, 2012 8:45 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

A couple of years ago i compiled the list below. It shows the remote hills in order by a calculated time, (from car > summit > car) done on foot.

I allowed 12 minutes per km and 12 minutes per 100 metres of ascent. The first column is the height gained in hundreds of metres, the second column the distance hiked in km. The third/fourth columns give the calculated time, (to calculate a time i added the first column to the second column and multiplied by 12)

Ben Aden comes out next to the bottom of this list and i must admit i didnít find it a particularly hard day, though it did have that feeling of remoteness, helped iím sure by the fact i never met anyone.

Note - at the time i made this list i didnít know a car could be taken to Corriemulzie Lodge so Carn Ban and Seana Bhraigh were calculated from elsewhere.

12 37 09 48 Mullach na Dheiragain + Top + Top
10 38 09 36 Beinn Bheoil + Top
10 38 09 36 Ruadh Stac Mor
11 37 09 36 Aí Mhaighdean
10 37 09 24 Carn an Fhidhleir
10 37 09 24 Beinn Bhreac
09 37 09 12 Creag Mhor
18 27 09 00 Lurg Mhor + Top
12 33 09 00 Stuc Fraoch Choire + Top + Top
09 34 08 36 Ben Alder
07 35 08 24 An Sgarsoch
11 31 08 24 Beinn Dearg
12 30 08 24 Beinn Dronaig
14 28 08 24 Bidein a Choire Sheasgaich
09 32 08 12 Leathad an Taobhain
10 31 08 12 Aonach Buidhe
11 30 08 12 Sgor Iutharn
14 27 08 12 Beinn Fhionnlaidh + Top
14 27 08 12 Cairn Toul
14 27 08 12 Beinn Lair
15 26 08 12 Sgurr nan Ceathreamhnan + Top
09 31 08 00 East Meur Gorm Craig + Top
10 30 08 00 Stob Coire an t-saighdeir
10 30 08 00 Beinn Tarsuinn
11 29 08 00 Stob Coire na Cloiche
12 28 08 00 Seana Bhraigh
14 26 08 00 Angel Peak
16 24 08 00 Beinn Dearg Mor
07 32 07 48 Ben Armie
08 31 07 48 Carn Dearg
10 29 07 48 Stob an t-sluichd
10 29 07 48 Carn Ban
08 30 07 36 Devils Point
10 28 07 36 Ben Avon
08 29 07 24 Carn na Breabaig
09 28 07 24 An Socach
09 28 07 24 Ben Aden
09 27 07 12 Beinn a Chaisgein Mor

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PostPosted: Tue May 22, 2012 10:45 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

That all seems about right to me. Objectively, no mountain in Scotland is "remote" and unless the weather is poor doesn't feel like it on a day walk.

"from car>summit" doesn't Ladhar Bheinn or Lunine Bheinn make the list? Or do you assume an Inverie approach? I think these are about 11 hours from Kinlochourn, so would be at the top on this basis.

I think Sgurr na Ciche should also be on the list (near the bottom). About 13 24 07 40 (there and back from Strathan)? Feels more remote bagged from Glenfinnan though Razz

Useful list.
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PostPosted: Wed May 23, 2012 10:19 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

ProfRob wrote:
"from car>summit" doesn't Ladhar Bheinn or Lunine Bheinn make the list? Or do you assume an Inverie approach? I think these are about 11 hours from Kinlochourn, so would be at the top on this basis.

My apologies, your quite right, based on what i posted (from car > summit > car) done on foot. Ladhar Bheinn, Lunine Bheinn and Meall Buidhe would be on/top of the list.

In over 30 years hill walking iíve never used a bike, boat or canoe myself hence (from car > summit > car) done on foot., i should have made clear i will (reluctantly) use a ferry or boat under someone elseís control, as in to get to Mull or across Loch Hourn to Barrisdale. The list was made with this in mind.

ProfRob wrote:
I think Sgurr na Ciche should also be on the list (near the bottom). About 13 24 07 40 (there and back from Strathan)? Feels more remote bagged from Glenfinnan though

Itís a close call. I measured it again this morning in my usual manner, by manually tracing the route out and by summing the ups and downs between contours on the OS 1:50000 map and get 11 24 07 00

Iíve not checked the list for a long time so there may be anomalies where start points change due to estates allowing or stopping access.
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PostPosted: Mon Jun 25, 2012 7:57 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Somehow the Atholl/Gorms area never gives me a sense of remoteness. It's our real "home" stomping ground and feels comfortable. Go figure. Confused[/quote]

I'm with you there, the Cairngorms house some of the wildest land in the country yet everytime I go I'm always happy, secure and comfortable. I've almost memorised my OS maps of that area having looked at them so longingly so much Smile so it seems so familiar. I suppose it's because I 'cut my hillwalking teeth' in those hills as a youngster and it feels like home.
Saying that (just to contradict myself Smile ) when I visited the Fords of Avon last year, that did feel pretty remote (which I suppose it is).
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PostPosted: Mon Jun 25, 2012 8:04 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

"In over 30 years hill walking iíve never used a bike, boat or canoe myself hence (from car > summit > car) done on foot."

But you use a car? I would never willingly forgo the fun of cycling myself.
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PostPosted: Tue Jun 26, 2012 1:39 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

fasgadh wrote:
But you use a car?

In hill walking as in life in general there are many choices on offer, i choose some (Cars, map/compass and ferries) and reject others (bikes, GPS, walking poles and accepting lifts), no logical reasoning here, just the way i choose to play the game. Iíd find it nigh impossible to walk the hills in the way that i wish to do them without the use of a car, too many compromises would have to be made.

fasgadh wrote:
I would never willingly forgo the fun of cycling

I reckon your in the majority CLICK HERE

Iíve never been keen on bikes and see little advantage, a shorter time from A to B yes, but iíd rather set off earlier and walk. Iíve nothing against bikes or cyclists its just not my cup of tea.
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PostPosted: Wed Jun 27, 2012 7:51 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Fairy snuff..... I am just a bit of a cycling nut - if I can get out on the bike and get a hill all the better.

There is also the tactic of leaving a bike over on the other side of a hill and using another descent route.

Walking on tarred roads is torture.

However - imagine travelling from Nithsdale to Glasgow on unmade roads on this!
Kirkpatrick Macmillan bicycle
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PostPosted: Wed Jun 27, 2012 10:29 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I have to say myself that walking on tarred roads or very even and hard, flat estate tracks is about the only thing which ever bothers my knees - they just can't stand all that hard-surface pounding. But another reason I use my fold-up bike to assist with reaching the remoter Munros (apart from saving lots of time) is that, as you're using different muscles, I find the day much less tiring that way. I also find walking 8 miles or so along a fairly boring route in both directions pretty tedious.
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PostPosted: Thu Jun 28, 2012 6:34 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Rolling Eyes I'm so glad I don't suffer from boredom or tedium being out and about in Scotland.....that must be a terrible drag for those that do.
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PostPosted: Thu Jun 28, 2012 8:15 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Not boring - painful!

I actually find combining cycling and hillwalking to be more tiring. I suspect while certain muscles are getting off lightly, there is an intersection that is getting well and truly puggled.
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PostPosted: Mon Jul 02, 2012 11:58 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Dreamer wrote:
ProfRob wrote:
"from car>summit" doesn't Ladhar Bheinn or Lunine Bheinn make the list? Or do you assume an Inverie approach? I think these are about 11 hours from Kinlochourn, so would be at the top on this basis.

My apologies, your quite right, based on what i posted (from car > summit > car) done on foot. Ladhar Bheinn, Lunine Bheinn and Meall Buidhe would be on/top of the list.

In over 30 years hill walking iíve never used a bike, boat or canoe myself hence (from car > summit > car) done on foot., i should have made clear i will (reluctantly) use a ferry or boat under someone elseís control, as in to get to Mull or across Loch Hourn to Barrisdale. The list was made with this in mind.


Presumably Beinn na Callich in Knoydart is the remotest hill if done on foot without use of a water-taxi from one point of the mainland to another.
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